We all have a purpose in life, and we’re all perfectly capable of fulfilling that purpose. But there might be some hindrances that keep us from tapping into our potential. When you ignore these barriers and believe you’ll never be able to conquer them, you’re robbing yourself of the chance to grow and live the life you deserve.
In the second episode of Returning Home, Elise talks about her journey to sobriety and the lessons she learned from it. She shares the effects of alcohol on her body, mind, relationships, and spirituality. She also reveals how sobriety helped her push past the barriers that kept her from connecting to herself, others, and her purpose.
If you want to set yourself free through sobriety and facing yourself more honestly, then this episode on sobriety is for you.
Here are three reasons why you should listen to this episode:
- Learn about the harmful effects of alcohol in four aspects.
- Discover how sobriety can empower you and set you on the path towards the life you deserve.
- Find out how you can get started on your own mindfulness journey.
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Episode Highlights
[01:08] Elise’s Journey to Sobriety
In 2018 or 2019, Elise began meeting people who identified as sober and initially thought she could never be like them. Realizing the lessons in sobriety were things she needed to learn, she made the decision to become sober.
While she doesn’t participate in activities within the sobriety community such as meetings, she believes that “sober” and “awake” are interchangeable terms. Sobriety helps you steer clear of things that make you numb and disconnected.
[02:10] Making a Conscious Choice
- Alcohol was taking Elise away from being who she wanted to be and made her unrecognizable to herself.
- But, not being sober might apply differently to others. It could be overindulging in sweets, shopping too much, spending too much time in front of their screens, and other avoidant behaviors.
Elise: “The important part, I think, when we talk about being sober or waking up is that you get honest with yourself about where you are and where you might be overdoing something in order to avoid important things in your life.”
- Ask yourself how you want to spend your time and if you’re okay with the results of the things you choose to do.
Once you’ve answered these questions, you can make the conscious choice to get rid of it fully into sobriety or do it in moderation.
[03:30] The Biopsychosocial Spiritual Approach
- For some people, drinking isn’t really a problem but there might be other barriers holding you back from being who you want to be.
“Waking up” has meant achieving sobriety for Elise.
- Social workers approach things using the biopsychosocial spiritual approach, which Elise uses to frame her understanding of the healing process.
And so, she will tackle sobriety on how it affects four different parts: body, mind, community, and spirit.
[04:47] How Alcohol Harmed Her Body
- Keeping alcohol in her life kept her in a “fight, flight, or freeze” state.
- With her sympathetic nervous system being constantly activated, she was unable to relax. It affected her nervous and digestive systems.
- She realized that alcohol was doing harm to her body and that she didn’t want to constantly find herself back at square one in an uphill battle.
[06:35] Partnering with Her Body
- Elise began consciously thinking about what she could put into her body that will help it rather than hurt it.
- While she has come to a number of realizations while quitting drinking, such as her struggle with body image, she’s ready to go on this journey to heal those issues.
- She loves being able to partner with her body and become closer to it after she stopped drinking.
- While she still struggles with ingesting sweets, she’s able to look at herself and these patterns with awareness and thus make healthier choices.
[08:07] The Effects of Alcohol on Her Mind
- Alcohol completely disconnected her from her mind.
- When she drinks, she tends to lash out at people and make stupid decisions that spirals her into regret, self-hatred, and doubt.
- She realized that some of those issues that she felt ashamed about, such as fighting with others, were blown out of proportion in her mind.
[10:14] The Effects of Sobriety on Her Mind
Sobriety helped give her perspective and stop beating herself up.
- When she looks back on certain events, she is finally able to feel proud of how she carried herself and treated other people.
- The inner critic is still present, but not as severe as before.
She was emboldened by sobriety, taking responsibility for her own actions and accomplishing her dream of starting her own business.
- She realized that some of those issues were blown out of proportion in her mind.
[11:29] Sobriety and Dreams
After achieving sobriety, she would get nightmares where she was drinking but then wake up relieved that it never happened.
- She’s dreamed about things that happened in the past as well, but this time, she is in the right headspace to filter them and forgive herself rather than feel shame.
Elise: “What’s coming is going. Because it’s coming up, I can filter it out. I can forgive myself for it. I’m not drinking to forget these things anymore. And I’m able to remember, so I can filter out what no longer serves me…”
- We are all connected and healing happens at different levels.
[13:28] How Alcohol Alienates
- Drinking alienated Elise from herself, turning her into a different person.
- One of her friends recalls being able to see the change in her face when she had drunk too much, and Elise hated to think how much she hurt her friends.
Listen to the full episode to hear the story of how drinking on New Year’s Eve in 2019 on her partner’s birthday made her decide to start her sobriety journey.
[17:23] How Sobriety Connects You to Others
- On January 1, 2020, she reached out to sober friends and asked for advice.
- She realized she was capable of being with other people sober, something she thought was impossible before, and that excited her.
- Being able to connect with other people while sober made her realize that was the kind of community building she wanted to do.
[19:25] Sobriety and Spirituality
- Living awake is the biggest lesson.
- She wants to be awake and while she does numb out to cope occasionally, she has realized that drinking stops her from raising her consciousness.
In 2018, after achieving sobriety, she started her mindfulness journey.
[21:12] Connecting to Her Higher Self
After achieving sobriety, Elise felt more connected and awake, thus more open to receiving spiritual teachings and lessons.
- She’s also able to see herself within the larger universal oneness, the greater whole of which we’re all small parts.
Elise: “There is this collective unconscious, we are all smaller parts of a greater whole, and I want to be connected to that whole. So not drinking keeps me aligned with that desire.”
- With that newfound connection, she was able to serve her clients in her therapy practice at a higher level.
- She’s also opening up to more coaching and taking inspired action, thus serving her mission and connecting to her spiritual identity.
[23:23] Elise’s Mission
- She wonders what our missions are as individuals.
- For Elise, she finds it important to be connected with her mission, her purpose, and her spiritual identity.
Thanks to sobriety, she was finally able to connect with nature and the world.
Quitting alcohol or achieving sobriety is always difficult at first, but she knows that she can go the rest of her life without drinking now that she’s almost two years clean.
- She already drank enough alcohol to last her a lifetime, so she doesn’t feel like she’s missing out and decided it’s enough.
[25:34] Elise’s Awakening Journey
There is so much more to gain without alcohol and living a life of sobriety.
- Elise is aware that she has so much life and untapped potential, and not drinking will bring her closer to those goals.
- It will be different for everyone, but we all have the ability to tap into our potential.
- Being happy and taking care of yourself helps inspire and uplift others, raising their consciousness and helping them live the way they deserve.
Elise: “… by me being happy and me taking care of myself, it actually inspires other people and I can help lift those people up around me. Like it’s, we’re meant to do this thing, right? It’s our birthright to live in a way that is healthiest and best for us…”
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Podcast Transcript
Elise Kindya: Welcome to Returning Home: The Podcast. My name is Elise Kindya, and I am a trauma-informed and intuitive therapist. This podcast is a space that I have created for you to discover a deeper understanding and love for yourself, which leads to expanding what you think is possible in your own life. My goal is for you to feel excited to live your life as your full, authentic self.
By listening to these episodes, you will learn things like how your brain works, my favorite resources for healing, stories from my own life, practices that you can press play on to add to your healing toolkit, and so much more. I invite you to return home to yourself in big and small ways to live the life you desire on your terms. You can live connected, empowered, and aligned. When you return home to yourself, anything is possible.
I can’t wait to share all of my insights with you. Now, let’s begin.
Hello, and welcome to episode two of the Returning Home: The Podcast. I’m excited about the topic of this podcast, because it’s about my journey to stop drinking. This podcast is titled Top Four Lessons from Sobriety. I remember years ago, probably 2018 and 2019 was when I was really meeting people that kind of identified as sober. And I would be like what it was like that could never be me. And then I actually decided to become sober.
And it was like, oh, yeah, these are my lessons that I need to learn. You know, I don’t necessarily identify as, like being in the sobriety community, in terms of like AA meetings and things like that. For me, I feel like you could really interchange the word sober with awake. And I believe that these lessons are some that you could apply to whatever the thing is that you’re doing that keeps you numb and disconnected.
For me, I just realized that alcohol was that thing that would take me away from being who I want to be, and showing up how I want to show up, and would make me somebody that I just, like, didn’t recognize. For you, it could be something like shopping beyond your means, or overindulging in sweets, or spending time on your screens, you know, watching 25 episodes of a show and on, on Netflix and things like that other avoidant behavior.
The important part I think, when we talk about being sober or waking up, is that you get honest with yourself about where you are, and where you might be overdoing something in order to avoid important things in your life. And to decide, is this what I want to be doing with my time? Is this a decision I want to be making? Knowing what the result is. Like, am I okay with doing this thing? Knowing that it takes me further away from who I want to be.
So deciding that and then choosing accordingly, choosing how you want to show up. And you know, is it something that you do want to get rid of fully? Or is it something more, like occasional that you would do? But yeah, like I’ve talked with so many people for whom drinking just really isn’t a problem. But there’s something else that they realized gets in the way of them being their best self and that they really aren’t willing to live with that result that’s holding them back in that particular way anymore.
So again, this is more of like, waking up, as opposed to sobriety. But for me, it has been becoming sober. Like I’m not really interested in drinking alcohol in any way anymore. I’m organizing these lessons today in four different parts, body, mind, community, and spirit. Because I’m a social worker, we approach things in a way that’s called the biopsychosocial-spiritual approach.
And this is how I kind of frame my understanding of the healing process in terms of like, yeah, how it affects our body, mind, soul, and spirit, or community and spirit. I’ll be thinking through this issue or question of sobriety in my life in this episode. And I’ll probably frame other things in future episodes using this bio psychosocial spiritual approach, just because it’s what resonates with me and it resonates with what I like to offer.
Okay, so jumping to the lessons that I’ve learned in terms of my body, so this is like the first lesson, so to say. I felt like keeping alcohol In my life was keeping me in a state of fight, flight, and freeze. I was keeping my sympathetic nervous system activated. And I wasn’t able to, like, relax. And sure I still drink caffeine, I still eat sugar, like there are definitely things that I do in my life that might continue to keep that sympathetic nervous system activated. And it’s supposed to be activated sometimes.
But, I was learning about how alcohol is such a toxin. And it’s doing so much harm to our bodies and to our nervous system, to our digestive system. You know, our liver and all of this, that was something that as I was receiving healing to from different people, whether it was acupuncture, or Reiki or massage, or reflexology, you know, it was coming up a lot like, “what’s going on with your liver?”
And I’m like, ‘I don’t know, you tell me.’ But I thought you know what alcohol is something that I ingest very regularly. And it’s definitely not doing me any favors with my liver. So I decided to stop ingesting alcohol, for that reason. It really helped open my eyes and give me some awareness that choosing to ingest alcohol was putting my body back at square one, every time that I drink.
That, the thought of that just completely morphed my desire, I was like, I don’t want to be back at square one. Every time I don’t want to keep having to climb this uphill battle, I realized I was hurting myself every time like that is self-harm to me. I would really try to think about what I can put in my body that’s going to help it rather than hurt it. In my own life, like, my body is the thing I struggle with the most.
I am an Air sign like I’m an Aquarius, sun. I’m an Aquarius, rising, Venus, Mercury, Jupiter, like, you know. I don’t like being in my body. And I realized I just keep hurting myself by doing this really not nice thing to my body. So I’ve always had body image issues, and not drinking has brought a lot of that up to the surface. To be honest, it’s like, what’s coming is going, what’s coming up is ready to be healed.
So I’m honestly, like, here for this journey. And these realizations that have been coming up as I stopped drinking. So I’m partnering with my body. I love that not drinking is something that has brought me closer to my body. And like I mentioned, I still do struggle with ingesting sweets and things like that. But not drinking alcohol, I’m able to look at these patterns with my eyes more fully open, and be able to make healthier choices from a place of being awake.
Not ingesting alcohol has taught me to partner with my body as opposed to fight it, or to see it as an enemy. And this has been so important for me. So the second lesson in terms of my mind, wow. Like I said, I’m an Aquarius, I love hanging out of my mind. I’m in my mind all day long. And drinking completely disconnected me from my mind, I become like a different person. When I drink, I fight with people, I make stupid decisions.
And this kind of thing leads to a cascade of regret, self-hatred, questioning myself, just spending so much time beating myself up in my head. So you know, I would have like a night of drinking, where I would drink six hours, eight hours. I mean, in college, I would drink like 340s of beer, you know, 120 ounces. And just, you know, sometimes get blacked out, sometimes scream at people, you know, all kinds of stuff.
So then the next day or two after drinking, I would spend so much time texting people apologizing to them for my behavior. And I would just be living in this, like, shame blanket, then I would need to numb this pain usually choosing to do so with drinking again. And the cycle would just start over. I just can think back on that time and feel like my mind was so jumbled and chaotic when I would drink and the coming down after drinking, right.
And even now when I think back on those times, I do still feel some shame. I have reached out to a lot of the people who were affected when I would drink and I have tried to make some types of amends. And I’ve realized about myself, too, is that like this whole cycle of, like, feeling really bad about this thing that I did like that was me, in my mind, blowing that out of proportion in my own mind.
And so a lot of times it really wasn’t that big of a deal to somebody else, but it would feel like a huge issue to me. And so I would go back and, like, apologize to all these people. And they’re just like, Yeah, okay, like, it’s fine, like, don’t worry about it. But for me, like, I would spend a lot of time worrying about it. So when I stopped drinking, I was really able to put that into perspective.
I wasn’t constantly beating myself up for my behavior, I wasn’t constantly being so mean to myself in my own head. And now that I don’t drink, I can look back on a night, an event, something like that, and I can feel proud of how I’ve carried myself and how I treat other people. I don’t hold myself back in my own mind as much anymore. I mean, there’s definitely, you know, I’ve definitely got the inner critic in there.
But you know, it’s not, it’s not to the same extent in any way, shape, or form. I’ve just noticed that I’m so much more brave, I take more chances. And I take more responsibility in my life and for myself, since I don’t drink anymore. And that has been so amazing. Like, in the time that I stopped drinking, I started my own business, and I completely support myself, you know, in terms of like, I work for myself, I’m an entrepreneur.
And yeah, that has been like a dream of mine forever. And I always held myself back from doing it. And then I finally did it. And it’s like, oh, I do know how to do this. Like, that’s awesome. So that has been huge. And another piece about the lessons I’ve learned in healing in the mind is my dream space. I post about this on social media somewhat regularly. So you might have heard about my dreams, since becoming sober.
I have these nightmares where I imagine that I’ve been drinking. And then I’m like, so panicked. I’m like, ‘Oh, my gosh.’ But then when I wake up, I’m like, so relieved that it hasn’t happened. And so that’s one piece of, you know, that’s just like a funny part of dreams after stopping drinking. But another thing is over the last, so I haven’t had a drink for over a year and nine months. I’m recording this episode at the end of October of 2021.
And over these last months, I have dreams about things that have happened in the past, like things that I’m ashamed of, or like people from the past. And as I said before, like what’s coming is going, because it’s coming up, I can filter it out, I can forgive myself for it. I’m not drinking to forget these things anymore. And I’m able to remember, so I can filter out what no longer serves me on a conscious as well as a subconscious level.
So this will, this also kind of veers into a spiritual lesson as well as a community lesson. And I will talk about this a little bit more as I jump into the community lesson, and later on at the spiritual level. And as I will mention, later on, I do think we’re all connected and healing is happening at different levels simultaneously. All these lessons I’ve learned for the mind is just like sobriety has let me return home to myself.
And here we are in The Returning Home: The Podcast. Right? So, the third lesson when it comes to community, and it’s kind of similar to lessons from the mind. I kind of mentioned it a little bit, but I felt like drinking was me alienating myself. So I wasn’t me, drink… When I drink, I’m not a nice person. And when I would drink, there is definitely an aspect of self-medicating for anxiety, like I was trying to fit in.
Or as I mentioned on my, on a previous podcast episode, and as you might know, about me, I post about this as well is, like, I feel like the black sheep, I feel like I never fit in. I feel like you know, I’m just so different. And when I would be going to a social event or something like that I would drink to alleviate that feeling and try to fit in. But it would just end up I would always take it too far.
I mean always is a strong word, but really like it was very, very often I would drink too much. And it would end with me acting, like, wild or reckless or I would isolate myself due to my behavior. I would do something to alienate myself, like, get the spins and fall onto the table where all the food was. I remember that one time. It’s embarrassing or like I would drink to try to fit in somewhere and then drink to the point of like, crying like I would be too sad to be there.
I felt like my friends were so fed up. And they had to deal with so much from me in terms of like, I just made things harder. And so when I did quit drinking, and I was like, talking to different friends about this, one of my friends said, she remembered, you know, having these nights out with me, and like, this is in New York City, right. And so it’s just like crazy all the time.
But she would say, like she could see on my face, when she could tell I’ve had too much to drink. Like, I would be having a great time laughing, you know, in the conversation, just like happy go lucky. And then she could see this, like, change, come over my face, like a switch flipped. And I was just a completely different person. You could see this like shroud came over and she’s like, I could see this, your eyes were different, I could just see it.
And I hated that. Like, I hate it to think how much I was hurting my friends, and getting in the way of us having a good time. The last night that I drank on New Year’s Eve, you know, going from 2019 to 2020. And that’s my partner’s birthday, New Year’s Eve, we were out at a bar, like we had gone to a party. And then I was like, I want to party more. And so we went to a bar. And of course, New Year’s Eve, like you can’t get an Uber home.
So we had to walk. And it wasn’t that far, like we live maybe a mile from the bar that we went to but you know, I’m like, wasted. I probably had seven glasses of wine or something like that. And I’m like, pissed, right? And so we’re walking home, and I’m just like yelling, and I’m kind of yelling at him. But I’m also just like yelling because I’m mad like screaming into the void. Just like why, what, and you know, my language was definitely colorful.
I won’t repeat everything that I said. But I was just like, pissed off that we had to walk. And that we couldn’t get an Uber and I’m just like, what the f you know, but then I woke up the next day. And I was like, this is a problem. Like, I shouldn’t be doing this. I don’t want to be yelling at my partner on his birthday, walking home. Like that was just like, not who I wanted to be. So I decided I didn’t want to be alienated in that way anymore.
I didn’t want to upset the people in my life anymore. I didn’t want to let myself down. Like I just was sick of this pattern. And so this is January 1 of 2020. And I started texting people that I knew were sober. And just was asking them for, like, any help or any advice that they could provide. And some people texted me back and like people sent me you know, encouragement, and maybe a couple of resources and books and stuff like that.
But my friend Ali met up with me, like that day or the next day, and we spent two hours talking like it was, it was so amazing, I felt so supported. I felt so understood, I felt so seen. And I was like, wow, I really could be with other people sober. I could be awake to my life. This is the kind of community building that I want to do. I want to be with people that are sober. And I’m okay with hanging out with people that drink. Like that’s not a problem.
You know, I became sober at the beginning of 2020. So you know, I had three months of, like, hanging out with people before we went into quarantine. And I’m totally fine. Even like at my own birthday party that year. I think people were drinking, I don’t even know. Yeah, they probably were. I’m fine with that. And it wasn’t something that I ever had considered before. Like I said, at the beginning of this podcast episode, I was always like, being sober could never be me.
Like, I couldn’t imagine going to any social situations and not drinking. But once I made that decision in my mind, like a switch really did flip. And I was like, I can of course do that. Like that’s not a problem. And I haven’t had a drink since. So it was really exciting to feel like oh, I can be with other people and not drink. Because of this whole feeling of feeling like the black sheep, I never imagined that could be possible for me.
So it was just really exciting to have that conversation with Allie and just subsequent connections that I’ve made since then. But, really like showing up for myself too, and being like, oh, I can make these decisions for myself. It’s fine. And this kind of brings me into the fourth lesson around spirituality. I realized that living awake was the biggest lesson like I wanted to be awake. I don’t want to numb out. I still do in some ways. You know, I’m only human.
I need to have some coping skills in this life. However, drinking completely disconnects me from my mission in life, which is to help other people and myself raise our consciousness. If I want to raise my consciousness, I can’t do that while ingesting alcohol like me, Elise Kindya, cannot do that. It takes me away from my best self, it disconnects me from my highest self. And I want to be an open channel to source to Universal Intelligence, you know, whatever you want to call it.
I’m a spiritual person, I never made space for being spiritual before. And well, in such a way, like I was always interested in, like, the Tarot. And when I went to psychics and got my, you know, got my tarot cards read and went to Reiki practitioners and things like that, but I never saw myself as being able to be the channel for that.
And it started, I probably started opening up to that more in like 2018, 2019 and even on my mindfulness journey, like starting even back in 2016. But it really wasn’t coming online till like 2018, 2019. Once I became sober, so that’s January 1, 2020, it really just kind of went, like, on more fast forward.
I just feel much more connected and awake, I feel more available to any teachings or lessons or downloads that I get, I’m not numbing with alcohol, I’m not closing myself off. And like this is more personal to me. You know, I do think that there are people out there that you know, they don’t have a big problem with alcohol. But for me personally, it cuts me off to my greater self, to my higher self to this spiritual entity that is like outside of me, that I want to be connected to.
So quitting drinking has been something I’ve done to strengthen my relationship with spirit. I didn’t know it at the time, like I said, but my ability to perceive has grown so much stronger. And I’m able to see myself as part of this larger universal oneness as the Buddhist tradition upholds as well as the teachings of Carl Jung, you know, there is this collective unconscious, we are all smaller parts of a greater whole, and I want to be connected to that hole.
So not drinking keeps me aligned with that desire. And with that connection that I have discovered, and that I’ve cultivated. It helps me serve my clients at a higher level. It helps me open up to what else I could offer clients. This is something that will be unfolding here soon is, you know, yes, I have a therapy practice. And I love working with my therapy clients, and I’m opening myself up to more coaching and more, you know, taking aligned, inspired action type of things and helping people move through that taking big leaps of faith in your life.
And this all so much for me is connected to my spiritual identity and to my bigger mission in life. This has been like I said, the biggest lesson for me is just realizing like, Yes, I am a spiritual being having a human experience. I don’t know about reincarnation, like, who really knows this on a conscious level. But I wonder like, what are these different missions that we’re here in life to do?
You know, and I, for me, it’s been really important to be connected to my mission and to be connected to my purpose, and to be connected to my spiritual identity and to my spiritual knowing. And so not drinking has just been like everything with that, you know, I can go out into nature and really feel myself as part of nature, where I didn’t have that connection before. And especially being you know, you used to live in New York City, like, you know, everything’s concrete, and it smells like garbage.
And it’s just like, oh, no offense if you live there. But, you know, I can go outside here and just feel so, you know, I am made up of all the elements, right? And we all are, we all have that. Just like it’s our birthright to feel at home, here on earth to hear in our bodies, here in our own minds, here in our communities, and in our spiritual identity. So, you know, overall, not drinking for me has been a decision that while it seemed really hard on the outset, I sit here over one year and nine months without drinking and I know that it’s like my path.
I can go the rest of my life. There’s this one teacher from The Life Coach School, Brooke Castillo and she has an episode about not drinking and she said, you know, she doesn’t drink anymore. And she said something like, I’ve had enough drinks, enough alcohol to lasts me more than the rest of my lifetime.
Like when I really think about, you know, if you think about what’s the definition of binge drinking, and it’s like, more than three drinks at a time and more than like, I don’t know, 15 drinks a week or something like that, then like you’re considered a binge drinker. And I’m like, Okay, well, I would have that much like, in one night of drinking, you know that should have lasted me a week, and I would have it at one time.
So this isn’t to like, shame myself or judge myself. It’s just like, okay, yeah, that’s enough of that. I don’t feel like I’m missing out on anything. And really, on the contrary, I feel that I have so much more to gain without alcohol, I know that I have so much more life left, I have so much untapped potential within me. And I know that a life without alcohol will get me closer to those goals. And so again, this might be different for you.
But I hope that if you’re listening to this episode, that there is something within you that you do know, is untapped. And that you do know that there’s a way that you could tap into that potential, and that you’re allowed to like this your life. We’re all here to raise our consciousness so that we can help, like, lift other people up. This has been so important for me, is to realize that I’m allowed to be happy and by me being happy and me taking care of myself.
It actually inspires other people and I can help lift those people up around me like it’s, we’re meant to do this thing, right. It’s our birthright to live in a way that is healthiest and best for us and it helps raise the consciousness of everyone on the planet. So that’s really what has inspired my you know “sobriety journey or my awakening journey,” and why I do want to continue. So thank you so much for tuning in to this episode today.
I hope that you got something out of it. I would love to hear from you on social media, if you, you know, if something resonated with you, if you want to share if you’re thinking about, you know, entering the sobriety journey or the awakening journey, or if you’re already there and you have insights to share.
I would just love to hear so definitely go follow me on social media and post. I’ll probably be making posts all along the way. So I’d love to hear, send me a DM something like that. But yeah, thank you for tuning in. And I will see you in the next episode.
